Thursday, 24 August 2017

Australia will vote on whether or not to broaden the definition of marriage.

Australia will next month have a postal vote on whether or not we would like our government to change the definition of marriage.
Currently, in Australia, the definition of marriage is very specifically between a man and a woman.

There is a hugely vocal homosexual and alternative lifestyle grouping that has for a long time sought to  squash any sort of debate on the acceptability of their lifestyle choice in mainstream Australian culture.
I have been subjected to this myself on fora that has nothing to do with lifestyle choices.
In the general discussion section of one forum I was a member of, everyone could have an opinion but me.
And even when I did not express an opinion, I was attacked for my "bigoted views".
I will also say that often times those people misrepresented my views so that they could attack me, but in many cases I did not actually express a view at all, and still was attacked - because I am openly a Christian, and all views are acceptable in this matter EXCEPT those that come from the Bible.

I personally will be voting "No" to the postal plebiscite regarding the change in the definition of marriage. That will not surprise anyone who has read my position and statements of my faith elsewhere on this blog.

But I want to explain why, and here I can do so without being shouted down.

I have several reasons for my position.

First, those who choose these alternative lifestyles have full legal and political recognition under our civil unions legislation.
In every legal respect they already have the same rights as a married couple.
The only thing they lack is the right to call it a "Marriage".
And in fact, they can already use the name, just not in an official capacity. (Who is going to stop them calling it a marriage in everyday life?)

Some will then say "Well if there is no difference, then why bother to argue about semantics?"

But it is not semantics. And I will tell you why in a moment.

Before we get there though, I do want to point out that taking the marriage name IS semantics for those of alternative lifestyles. They think that by changing the name alone - for that is the only thing that will change - that their lifestyle choices will suddenly become legitimate in the eyes of the community.
They are wrong.
It is not the lack of the name marriage that is offputting for many mainstream Australians.
It is the lifestyle itself that the majority of Australians find unusual, even those who are accepting of it, but not part of it.
When a man talks of his husband, people's attitudes will not change regardless of them being allowed to say that they are legally married. And it won't change whether those people find it abhorrent, or just mildly unusual, or totally acceptable, or anywhere between. The change of name will not change anybody's attitude.
Do they really think that that who are vehemently opposed will all of a sudden become accepting because now the government has said they can call it marriage?
And will it change the attitudes of those who are wholly for alternative lifestyles? Will they wake up the next day and feel that their relatioships are stronger JUST because now they can call it a marriage?
The alternative lifestyle people will find that not one thing in reality has changed if they win this vote.
Not anything legally, and not any attitudes.
Neither their own attitudes, nor their opponents attitudes, nor the indifferent attitudes will have changed.

Now then, to the arguments that people put forth to oppose this vote:

There are those who have tried to argue about children being the product of marriage, but they are rightly pointed to heterosexual couples who either by choice or medical issues do not have children. Are these not legitimate marriages then?
This is a legitimate counter.
Children do not make a marriage.

When I got married to my wife, we were immediately married - we did not have to wait the five years that it took for us to finally have children - our marriage was a complete marriage immediately we said "I do".
And when our children leave home, as the oldest will shortly do, we will not cease to be married.


Another argument that is often put is that it is unnatural.
That was thought to be true in the past, but the alternative lifestyle mobs have produced "evidence" that it is entirely natural.
Whether their evidence is legitimate is still up for debate - for instance dogs "mating" with dogs is not legitimate evidence, because a dog with a mind to, will mate with anything that moves, and some things that don't. A dog "mating" with a person's leg does not denote a natural behaviour of dogs wanting to mate with men - it denotes a natural behaviour of dogs to satisfy themselves wherever they see the opportunity.

But regardless of the veracity of this evidence, just because something occurs in nature, doesn't make it acceptable for people to do.
Many creatures eat their young, but I do not know of ANY MAN of any persuasion who would suggest that such a thing is acceptable simply because we see it in nature.
(And no, I am not saying that alternative lifestylers are to be compared to such animals. It is the argument from nature that I am discussing.)
And some female creatures, after mating eat the male, but I do not see anyone suggesting that because we see it in nature it should be acceptable for men.

The argument that it is natural is not the same as arguing that something is right or wrong.
In nature we see what we would consider "right" actions, and we see what we consider "wrong" actions. The "right" actions are not more right because we see them in nature, and the "wrong" actions are not more  wrong because we see them in nature.
The point is, nature is not our standard for right or wrong, for if it was our society would be very different to what it is today, and in fact our society would be full of argument about what is the right model from nature to follow.
Do we follow the lion's model, where the men do nothing but get first dibs on the meals, and lunge around, while the women do all the work of providing?
Or do we follow the be model, where there is one ruling woman, a number of male bees whose sole role is to mate with the queen and the whole place is run by the females who do all the work?

Neither of these models would be considered fair and equitable for human society.

So nature is not, and never has been our standard.
Therefore, whether or not we see these alternative lifestyles in nature is irrelevant - Nature is not the model upon which our society is built.


In fact, there is only one argument that holds any true weight in this matter:
Mark 10:6-9
(6)  But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
(7)  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
(8)  And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
(9)  What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

God designed marriage.
I have looked, and found no real theories on how marriage "developed" from a secular point of view.
It is simply accepted that marriage started in the lost history of time, and it is common among all cultures.
The details of it vary of course, but the basics that a man and a woman leave their families and join together to start a new family is the universal basic.
And the Bible tells us that this was God's design from the time of creation.

The fact that marriage is universal indicates a common link somewhere in the so called "lost history" of the past. It is not lost: the Bible explains it clearly.

But the important part of this, is that God designed and instituted marriage.
As the designer and maker of marriage, God therefore has the authority and right to define what he has designed.
And God said that it was between a man and a woman, a male and female, a man and his wife.

Why am I voting against the redefinition of marriage in Australia?

Because, whilst it will not gain the supporters of the change anything legally, politically, or attitudinally, it denies God's right to define His institution of Marriage.

Unfortunately, I think this is the real agenda - the removal of God from our society.
Men have removed God from our schools.
Men are trying to remove God from our courts.
Men are trying to remove God from our parliament.
Men are trying to remove God from our holidays and celebrations.

Men are trying to remove every trace of God from our society.
This is yet another step on this path.

In Australia they have the "Safe schools" program, which ironically masquerades under the banner of "Anti-bullying", but which as is becoming more obvious all the time, is really just a platform to promote alternative lifestyles.
The irony of this, is that if anyone speaks out against the alternative lifestyles agenda that is Safe Schools promotes, they are BULLIED into submission and silence.
The biggest bullies, the most intolerant group, the most violently opposing group in Australia today, are the alternative lifestyles groups.

For proof, just see the kind of reaction this post gets, if it actually gets noticed and not deleted by some sort of big brother.

I would urge anyone who reads this, to read it carefully and point out clearly where I have said anything hateful.
Fact is, that I do not hate anyone of alternative lifestyles. I do not approve of their lifestyle, but it is not my right to dictate to them how they should live. That is their choice.
I DO know what the Bible says about it, but it is still their choice, as it is every man's choice to either accept the Bible or reject it, and on that basis to accept or reject the gift of salvation that Jesus made available to all men, if they would believe on His name and confess (to God) their sins.
Romans 10:9-10
(9)  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10)  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


The Bible says that ....all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
All - not just murderers and thieves, but all men. And that even includes me, although I have trusted the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour, and so my sins have been paid for.

But back to the point - I am voting against this change because it will not do anything positive for anyone, and because God has already defined marriage in His Word.

God made it - God defined it.

I will vote "No" and I would urge every God fearing, Bible believing Christian to also vote for God's definition of marriage, which the current Australian definition agrees with.











Saturday, 19 August 2017

Worship????

There is a lot of talk about right now regarding worship.
Styles of worship and importance of worship, and how we should go about worship, and how important worship is for a church and for Christians.

Well the other day in my daily reading I came across Mark chapter 5 and I noticed something in that passage that had escaped me previously.
Mark 5:1-13
(1)  And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
(2)  And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
(3)  Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
(4)  Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
(5)  And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
(6)  But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
(7)  And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
(8)  For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
(9)  And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
(10)  And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
(11)  Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
(12)  And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
(13)  And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
Jesus and the Disciples had just cross the sea overnight with the storm and Jesus calming that storm, and they came to Gadarea. When they got out of the ship and walked onto the land, a man came running up to them. This man was possessed with devils.
But the interesting thing I find about this passage is that it says in vs 6;
(6)  But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
When he saw Jesus he ran and worshipped him. Now I had always read it as the man who was possessed ran and worshipped the Lord, as I read it the other day I noticed  something about this account.
The "he" spoken of in vs 6 is the same "he"spoken of in vs 7 through to vs 10.

You see, I had always read it as the man who was possessed ran to Jesus for help, but it was not the man that confronted Jesus and worshipped Him, it was the devil in him.

The devil is the one talking, the devil is the one begging (I adjure thee...), the devil is the one WORSHIPPING the Lord.
Let's look at this a moment: the devil calls Jesus "...the son of the most high God..." recognising exactly who the Lord is, and ascribing that honour to the Lord.
The devil recognises also the authority of Jesus, when he "Adjures" Him, or begs Him - this devil certainly knows that Jesus has the authority and the power.

The thing about all of this is that these devils - there were many for their name was legion (A Roman legion by the way was normally 5000 men plus support staff, and they affected 2000 pigs when cast into the herd), these devils are said in vs 6 to have worshipped the Lord Jesus Christ.

In that, they ascribed to Him the proper attributes, the proper authority, the proper power, and His proper position.
They cried out loud about who He is and what He can do.
No-one standing there that day could have missed that these devils recognised Jesus as the son of the most high God, or that He was stronger in power, and of greater authority than these devils - that at least 2000 of them too.

The Bible clearly says that they "worshipped" Him.

Now back to our present day emphasis on worship and the importance of it in our churches.
It occurred to me that not only Christians can worship - if these devils can worship the Lord, then there is no inherent need for the one worshipping the Lord to actually love the Lord.
These devils did not love the Lord, but they did worship Him.
James 2:19
(19)  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
There is no requirement of saving faith for worship to happen.

In fact there will be a load of people who think they are doing various things for the Lord who will find out one day that their service was in vain:
Matthew 7:20-24
(20)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(21)  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(24)  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Many will say to Him "Have we not done all these great things in your name?", but Jesus will say "I never knew you".

I wonder how many people are caught up in this current flow of "worship focussed" ministry who actually have never trusted Jesus Christ as their Saviour?
They think they are serving and honouring the Lord because they "Worship" the Lord, but these devils also worshipped the Lord.

No, worship does not make a person saved.
Romans 10:9-13
(9)  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10)  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(11)  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(12)  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13)  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That is what makes a person saved - believing in thine heart and confessing (to God) that Jesus raised from the dead.

Those people who think they are honouring God by what is often called "good worship" (a subjective view anyway), may very possibly be wrong. You don't have to love the Lord to worship Him.

Also, recently I have been looking again at the Great Commission and strangely enough I don't find anywhere in the various statements of the Great Commission a call to worship the Lord in that work.
We are told to teach all nations, to baptise, and teach them what Jesus taught - but there is no mention of worshipping the Lord in those calls - it is SERVING HIM, in the way that He calls or commissions us to that He wants.

Sunday, 22 January 2017

Should we forgive and restore, or just bash them to death?

It has on occasion been an issue that I have seen that someone wanders astray from the Lord, and then church discipline is invoked.

I, thankfully, have never had to deal with this matter directly in any church I have been in. The only people I have had to deal with have been those who are not members but trying to cause trouble or influence doctrine, and the Bible has a different way of dealing with them as it does with church members.

I have however been involved on occasion with the restoration of a wayward saint.

Let's look then at the relevant passages:

Matthew 18:15-17
(15)  Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
(16)  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
(17)  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It is interesting that if there is an issue between two Christians, it should be resolved within the church. And also there is an order to this Bible directed way of dealing with a problem between Christians.
The first step is between the parties directly involved in the matter; but look at the end of the verse - the goal for this process is TO GAIN YOUR BROTHER, or to restore the fellowship between you.

The next step is to take two or three witnesses - this is still not public, but only dealt with by a close group of members of that church.
And note that there is no mention of what happens if he hears and the problem is resolved - it is implied in the passage that the result mentioned in vs 15 is also what is relevant here - to gain your brother.

Then, after these two procedures have been followed, the third step is to make it public WITHIN THE CHURCH - this is not a free for all public accusation and humiliation.
And the final result IF HE NEGLECT TO HEAR THE CHURCH, is to consider him as a Heathen man.
The interesting thing about this is that we are not told to treat the person as persona non grata. We are to treat them as an unsaved man.
How do we treat an unsaved man?
Well, if we look at the way that some have been treated under what is sometimes claimed to be church discipline, then we would not talk to them, not acknowledge them in any way, not answer the phone if we know it is them, not walk down the same street at them, and not return a "hello" in the street if they say hello to us.

I just have to ask at this point..... Is that really how we treat unsaved men?
Of course it isn't. We are friendly and try to lead them to meet the Saviour.

This then is the real way that we should treat the person subject to these verses - in such a way that we might lead them to be restored to proper fellowship with the Lord and with us.
We DO NOT ACCEPT their sin. But then we don't accept the sin of an unsaved man either.
We do not join with their sin. But again, we do not with an unsaved man either.

The point of church discipline is not to punish but to restore. We want to bring this person back into proper fellowship with the Lord.
How does that happen if we won't even talk to them?
The kind of action that is often called "church discipline" only really serves to enhance bitterness in the person, and drive them further away from the Lord.

The first part of this process is designed to "Gain thy brother" not damage him or drive him away. The rest of it carries the same implied purpose.

There is another passage which is a bit wider in scope than just an issue between Christians: 

Galatians 6:1
(1)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

This is talking about a Christian who falls into sin - I say fall, because that is the way we commonly refer to it, but in truth many times we don't fall, we jump into sin headfirst.

But if we see a brother who is in sin, we have a duty to try to help. 
I actually love this passage because it is very simple and very plain about the matter of a sinning brother.

First of all, it is up to "ye which are spiritual" to deal with the matter. If you are not spiritually mature and in good fellowship with the Lord, then you should not be applying for this job.

Secondly, the very next word tells the purpose of this "RESTORE".
The purpose is not to beat them into submission, nor is it to punish them for their wrongdoing. Sin always has a price and the Lord will make sure they pay their price - it is not our job to do that.
Our job in this is to RESTORE them - or to bring them back into fellowship with the Lord.

Thirdly, this is to be done in a spirit of meekness, not out of anger or pride or self righteousness, but in meekness.

And finally it is to be done "considering thine own self, lest thou also be tempted".
Really, this is meekness explained - it is keeping in mind that I also am less than perfect, and that I also could fall (or jump) into sin at any time.

So many times I have seen church discipline used as a weapon to beat up on someone. So many times I have seen someone "dealing with a sinning brother (or sister) with the intent to hurt or punish, not to restore. These people, by their very actions are showing that they are not spiritual, and their actions also display no meekness or humility that comes with understanding that I too am a sinner.

I have gotten into trouble at times for trying to restore a fallen christian. 
People who may or may not be involved have accused me of helping them to sin, or of encouraging them in their sin.

The reality of the matter is that I will not help any unrepentant sinning Christian. The first step in that case is to bring that person to repentance for their sin.
But when a person comes to our church in humility, and genuinely wants to get back on track for the Lord, I will do everything I can, and I will lead our church to everything we can, to help such a person get back into right fellowship with the Lord.
I am not told to deal with their sin - that is up to God. Once they come willing to "hear the matter", then my job, and the job of our church, and in fact the job of every Christian, is to restore them, not to beat them up.

I will never apologise for trying to restore a fallen Christian to right fellowship with God.
I will always try my best to help them see their sin and to deal with their sin in a godly fashion.
There may be people who lie to me about their heart and intent, but so far I have been pretty good at picking that up. I will no doubt make mistakes in this matter, but I do so KNOWING that I am trying to honour the Lord in this matter.

And I don't care about those who pass judgement on me for it.
I know what the Bible says about it.
I know what I have to do in these matters.

And I will ALWAYS try to restore such an one in the spirit of meekness.


Final note: I am talking about restoring a Christian to fellowship with the Lord, not about him "getting saved again". The Bible is plain that eternal life is... well.... eternal - and that means you can neither lose it, have it taken away, or even give it back. The RELATIONSHIP of a saved man can never change, but the FELLOWSHIP of a saved man with God changes all the time.